(RECORDING COMING SOON) Conversation between writer, critic and Professor and Chair of Africana and American Studies at University at Buffalo Rinaldo Walcott, and Afterall ArtSchool Coordinator Camille Crichlow as part of THE EDUCATIONAL WEB at the Kunstverein in Hamburg. This conversation explored the logics of what Walcott terms ‘the long emancipation’ in the context of educational apparatuses and knowledge systems, in addition to the role of Black creativity and its centrality to the emergence of Black freedom.